# Explaining the concept of Data information **URL:** \ **Category:** Open Source AI\ **Created:** [June 14, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://discuss.opensource.org/t/explaining-the-concept-of-data-information/401 "2024-06-14T14:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 27
**Author:** ![shujisado](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex011/user_avatar/discuss.opensource.org/shujisado/32/230_2.png) [@shujisado](https://discuss.opensource.org/u/shujisado)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://discuss.opensource.org/t/explaining-the-concept-of-data-information/401/27 "2024-07-02T12:40:46Z")
> **[The Open Source AI Definition: where's the data?](https://www.juliaferraioli.com/blog/2024/on-open-source-ai/)** > > Two years into the “multi-stakeholder process” to define what constitutes as “open source AI”, we are facing a number of issues that are immense, fraught, and nuanced. Why are data excluded from the proposed definition, why are they important, and... Julia Ferraioli-san has published a blog post regarding OSAID, and it would be better to discuss in this forum thread. Even for someone like me, who struggles with English and often has to rely on translation engines, her arguments were clear and easy to understand. Among the points Julia-san raises, questioning the significance of defining open-source AI, criticizing the use of vague terms like “skilled person,” and debating the appropriateness of using the OECD definition are issues that have already been discussed in this forum. These are important issues to recognize but not unsolvable problems. However, the issue of whether datasets should be mandatory or not might need more careful discussion. I was a bit disappointed by her words at the end of the article that seemed to give up on legal feasibility, but her argument in the middle of the article that the four freedoms cannot be exercised resonates with what many people feel. At this point, I believe that a “complete dataset” is not always necessary, and maintaining the completeness of a dataset is extremely difficult. Therefore, I find the current list of mandatory components to be reasonable. However, I am not actively welcoming the removal of the requirement for datasets. The general public will likely demand freedom for datasets as well. We must gather enough materials to convince them. Therefore, I hope that more experiments like the following thread will be conducted. > [@An open call to test OpenVLA](https://discuss.opensource.org/t/an-open-call-to-test-openvla/424): > > Now that I’m a bit caught-up on many of these discussions — I’ve been sitting on the sidelines looking for signal amidst the unexpected levels of distress displayed — I saw at least one good idea get walked by in another thread, one I believe might help inform the discussion. I also felt the soothing calm of the Debian experience and wisdom that @hartmans ladeled onto these troubled waters. What if we bring to bear the idea that @jasonbrooks raised, which is conducting a controlled experiment o… --- _[View the full topic](https://discuss.opensource.org/t/explaining-the-concept-of-data-information/401)._